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Ask an expert - muscles and bones - back / spine - lower back pain

19 questions

Q: Are 12 needles for 40 mins for my second visit too much? I was lying on my stomach for the full 40mins for lower back pain.

A:  The short answer is not at all. It is not uncommon when treating lower back pain to use a significant number of needles locally, and this can often easily run to a total of 10 or 12 needles. It is also quite common to have the patient relaxed in a face down position.
 
If you felt that it was too much, however, or that the position was uncomfortable for 40 minutes, then it is a simple matter to raise this with your practitioner who will be delighted, we are sure, to adjust the treatment for you.
 
A very small number of patients are very sensitive to acupuncture treatment, and this can often limit the number of needles which a practitioner can use. In most cases, though, this is very clear because the patient feels a little spaced out or woozy after treatment, and not in a particularly pleasant way. Practitioners will always ask how the treatment affected someone and in cases like this would automatically scale the treatment down for the next session. 
 

 

Q:  I' ve got pain in my back L4 & L5.  Will I get rid of some of the pain after a first session of acupuncture? How quickly  does acupunture work?

A:  Without knowing exactly what kind of pain you have, how it has developed, what may have caused it and what else has happened to bring on the pain, it is very difficult to say!
 
This kind of question highlights the problems that we have using a different system of medicine from the one which is all around us and embedded in our common culture. People have 'bad backs', 'migraines', 'asthma', and so on, and a great deal of conventional medicine deals with this named condition in a very specific way. By contrast, the individual symptoms which piece together to define a named condition in conventional medicine are interpreted in Chinese medicine in an entirely different conceptual framework, so that there is no equivalent of a NICE guideline for a lower back problem because there are as many variations in the exact nature of the problem as there are people with it. A truism of our work is that twenty people with migraines may have twenty unique and different diganoses in Chinese medicine which would be treated in twenty different ways. We treat the person, not the disease.
 
However, clinical experience usually follows familiar patterns, and with back pains in this area there is often some change relatively quickly, and the question is how much and how sustainable it is. We usually warn our patients that for the first 48 hours after treatment it is possible that the pain and stiffness may increase a little, but after that there should be progress. The NICE guidelines for treating lower back pain recommend ten sessions, but most BAcC members would be reviewing a patient's progress at four or five sessions, at which point it is often possible to determine how well someone may respond. What you want to avoid is a pattern where there is some improvement for a short while which then reverts to the status quo. If this happens more than four or five times then the short term relief may not warrant the expense of treatment.
 
Each case is unique and different, though, and there may be other factors in play which would determine how much change and improvement you might experience. Have we had people for whom one treatment did the trick? Yes. Have we had patients who have not responded at all? Yes. The best advice is to visit a BAcC member local to you to get a brief face to face assessment of whether acupuncture treatment may be of benefit to your specific problem. 
 

 

 

Q:   I have had twp  sessions of acupucture to help me with lower back pain and sciatica. Before the first session my symptoms were not too bad. The following day my sciatica appeared to be more agitated. After the second session my back started to ache. It's been 3 days since my last session and both symptoms are causing me trouble. Is this normal?

A:  We would not go so far as to say that this is 'normal', but it can happen. Acupuncture can cause minor transient adverse events, and it is not unknown for people to have a day, or two at most, after a session where the system is in a state of flux and symptoms can become a little worse. In some cases this can be quite marked, but in all cases this should stop after about 48 hours.
 
If a problem continues after this, there are a number of possibilities. First, and this has to be expressed with great care in order not to offend a patient, the deterioration or increase in discomfort may have nothing to do with the acupuncture treatment. Many lower back problems have a 'tipping point' after which the symptoms become quite severe, and often what is happening at the time this takes place is unconnected to the change. A more positive therapeutic outcome, and very commonly experienced after osteopathic treatment of lower back problems, is that as the body reasserts its proper form some of the muscles which have been operating in a distorted structure are now forced to accommodate the better structure within which they should function. This is rather like the pain people sometimes experience after sitting in a restricted legroom seat at the theatre and then standing up.
 
In any event, the important thing is to discuss the problem with your practitioner and get their advice. They will know what treatments they have given and will be able to interpret what is happening to you better than we can at this remove. If they are concerned they may well invite you in for a flying visit just to take a look at the overall picture, and see if any short term adjustment is necessary.
 
Our expectation, however, is that by the time you read this the paim will have subsided considerably and you will be starting to feel the benefits of the treatment for your lower back.   

Q: I had an epidural when Ihad my son over 2yrs ago.  Since I have  sufferd really bad lower back pain.  Due to the pain I hardly go out and I have  put on a lot of weight. Do you  think acupuncture could help me?

 

A: This is quite a difficult question to answer. The official NHS sites quote statistics from studies which demonstrate that there are no long term side effects, perhaps only mild and short-term problems, but a quick internet search reveals hundreds of posts from women who have suffered long term debilitating problems.
 
It is very important to establish as much as possible what the problem is. In the first instance this means going back to your doctor and trying to get an MRI scan of the area to eliminate the possibility that there has been some damage during the epidural or some form of haematoma or tissue change which is causing the problem. This will determine how good the prognosis is.
 
It is also important to consider the possibility that the back pain may not be a result of the epidural. Pregnancy involves carrying a large weight at a disadvantageous angle, and if there were any minor irregularities or misalignments of the lower spine, these might have been pushed one stage further by the pregnancy and vigorous exertion of birth.
 
Acupuncture treatment may offer some hope. As our factsheet shows
 
http://www.acupuncture.org.uk/a-to-z-of-conditions/a-to-z-of-conditions/back-pain.html
 
there is some evidence that acupuncture can help with non-specific back pain, and the NICE guidelines (which determine what treatment doctors can offer) have included ten sessions of acupuncture as one of the cost-effective options to consider.
 
Back pains arise for all sorts of reasons, however, and even in Chinese medicine there are dozens of ways of categorising what may be happening. Sometimes this will offer a good prognosis, at other times not. The skill of the practitioner lies in seeing what else is going on in the system as a whole and using this knowledge to understand what patterns of imbalance of energy have developed over the years. It is rare for someone to have only one symptom, and there are often changes to the normal systems which people just accept without mentioning, like digestive problems or sleep disorders which just become the 'normal' order of things.
 
The best advice we can give, apart from following things up with your doctor, is to visit a BAcC member local to you and ask for their opinion in a brief face to face assessment. This can give you a much better idea of what can be done than we can give here.     

A:  In theory acupuncture treatment for your lower back should have no harmful side effects or secondary effects on your other health conditions. The underlying aim of all acupuncture treatment is to restore the natural flow, rhythms and balances of the energy of the body, called 'qi' in Chinese medicine, and as such it is more likely that treatment for your back may have a beneficial effect on any other conditions which you have, especially since from a Chinese medicine perspective the practitioner is treating the person, not simply the symptom.
 
In fact, this is the one caution we do tend to issue, given that we are not sure whether you are talking about Type 1 or Type 2 diabetes. In the case of the latter there is very often a residual pancreatic function generating some, but not adequate, insulin, and a combination of oral medication and diet ensure that someone is able to maintain their blood sugar at safe levels. There have been one or two cases where the use of acupuncture has stimulated this residual function, and as a consequence has reduced the blood sugar. This has never yet resulted in a serious hypoglycaemic episode, but it remains a theoretical possibility immediately after a treatment, so we tend to caution patients about carrying some glucose or a carton or orange juice in case they feel their levels dropping a little. In the main, however, acupuncture is always seen as encouraging homeostasis, a correction to normal function, rather than an 'overshoot', so this is more a theoretical than real risk.

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