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Ask an expert - muscles and bones- shoulder

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Q: Does acupuncture involve having needles in the head and being put to sleep for bad shoulder pain?  How long is a session?

A:   To answer your second question first, the majority of BAcC members would normally allocate between half an hour and an hour for a session of acupuncture. Some work slightly more quickly, with twenty minute sessions, and occasionally some members with adequate treatment space will let a patient relax after treatment for as much as another half an hour.
As far as the location of points is concerned, Chinese medicine is premised on an understanding of the flow of energy, called 'qi', in the body and its rhythm, balance and flow. The pattern of flow is reflected in a number of channels which traverse the body, and blockages or changes in the flow can have effects elsewhere in the body because of the complex interconnections. So, it would not be unusual for needles to be placed in the feet, for example, to deal with headaches if a blockage had to be dealt with there.
One of our colleagues used to use the analogy of a central heating system to explain this to patients. Because it is a closed system a problem with a thermostat or valve can affect the pipes at the other end of the house. His practice used to have a number of patients happily telling their friends that they had problems with their thermostats!
Chinese medicine also recognises that when problems arise in specific areas this may not always be because of a local injury. If the whole system is weakened, then where a symptom appears may simply be one of a number of weak points. The skill of the practitioner often lies in determining whether a shoulder pain or knee pain is a local problem or a local problem which has arisen because of a more generalised weakness. In both cases there are likely to be needles in or near the affected area, but in the latter case the needles may go where the system needs to be boosted.
Sleeping or becoming very relaxed when being needled is not uncommon. Many patients drop off when they are being treated, and many practitioners are happy to let them drift. Most people in modern life are busy and stressed, and there is a common belief that letting someone drift slightly removes some of the barriers to effective treatment which can be created by a patient arriving tense and being in a hurry to get back to work.
Your practitioner is your best source of information, though. Our members are more than happy to explain what they are doing, and give you an insight into the way that Chinese medicine works. 


Q:  Would acupuncture help with a chronic nerve pain which I have in my shoulder which refers down to my forearm?

A:  A great deal depends on whether the pain is caused by impingement of a nerve, either in the shoulder itself or higher up in the neck, which can also produce similar sensations. If there is a structural problem, then while acupuncture treatment may help to reduce any inflammation which results from the trapped nerve, the problem will recur until the structure is fixed. While acupuncture treatment aims to restore natural function, and may eventually encourage the structure to right itself, the quickest way to deal with a problem such as this may be to visit an osteopath. They will be able to tell you whether there is a problem, and perhaps re-refer you to an acupuncturist after they have corrected it. We find this kind of cross-referral often works well; once the structure is settled it is important to get the muscles and tendons to re-assume their correct positions and tension. Acupuncture treatment seems to help well with this.

However, this is to take a very Western view of what is going on, and there are many occasions when the sensation which someone describes can be explained, understood and treated in Chinese medicine by using a different way of looking at the body. From a Chinese medicine perspective, which is premised on a good flow of energy (called 'qi') in the body, pain arises from deficiencies, excesses or blockages in the flow. The exact nature of the pain will inform the practitioner about the exact nature of the blockage. It is perfectly possible that working in this way the pain can be treated.

The best advice we can give, though, is to visit a BAcC member local to you for a brief face to face assessment of whether they can help with the problem. It is very difficult to tell at one remove what the best course of action is, and a visual inspection would help to determine whether or not an onward referral to an osteopath is more appropriate.

Q:  I injured my shoulder windsurfing and having rested it and resorted to a a sports massage (which made the pain worse). I wondered if acupuncture might help?

A:  A great deal depends on the nature of the injury. The shoulder is a very tricky joint to deal with, as your sports massage therapist may have told you. The gleno-humeral cavity, the very loose ball and socket arrangement which gives the shoulder its extreme mobility compared, say, to the hip joint, means that its stability depends on several layers of muscle and a rotator cuff. If any of these is inflamed, torn or damaged, it can throw the whole alignment of the joint out, and this can work against recovery, especially since the shoulder is a difficult joint to immobilise and continue to function as normal.

We are not surprised that treatment made the pain worse. It is often the case that correcting a joint problem after it has become 'set' for a while can make the muscles ache a great deal. However, this should be a short-term and transient effect, and if it continues to happen, then it may well be that direct treatment is simply aggravating the problem. Acupuncture practitioners occasionally find the same thing happens if they treat an inflamed area to reduce heat and swelling; it can feel rather like poking a sleeping dragon, and make attempts to treat feel very uncomfortable. The advantage of using acupuncture, however, is that the system of Chinese medicine is based on theories of flow and balance of an energy, called 'qi', and one does not need to needle directly into the place where the pain is. Often we find that treating at a distance, 'distal treatment', by using points further down the limb or occasionally on the opposite limb or even equivalent lower limb, can have profound effects. This can all seem very mysterious to someone with no experience of Chinese medicine, but we find that once we show patients some of our charts and books, it makes perfect sense.

The best advice we can give you is to visit a BAcC member local to you and seek their advice. Shoulder problems tend to be unique and different, even in western medicine, and this will determine whether they recommend acupuncture treatment for you. You will almost certainly need to be following a course of excercise and movement at the same time to regain your proper strength and co-ordination, especially since you are very likely to be back on a board as soon as you are better. It might well be worth asking a local BAcC member if they, or a colleague, have this kind of experience - our members are happy to network to make sure that someone gets the best possible outcome. It may even be worth considering going to a physiotherapist who also uses acupuncture, as many now do, to get the best of both, although, obviously, we believe that as the 'experts' in acupuncture, you would be better off initially having your acupuncture treatment from someone who uses this as their full time job rather than simply as another tool in the toolbox.


Q:  I was involved in a car accident last November I had several physio sessions and I thought I was all ok and ended sessions in February, in  less than a month my shoulder and neck were playing up again.  I continue to do exercises and I've had acupuncture in Ireland a few times when I visited there in April, this seemed to help.  I was advised I would need possibly  more intensive sessions Will accupunture help me?

A:  You have the advantage over many of our 'ask the expert' correspondents insofar as you have already had acupuncture and it seemed to help. You've also had what we can't give but wish we could to, a face to face assessment of whether treatment would be beneficial in your own case. If, as seems to be the case, your practitioner thinks it would be worthwhile continuing, then this is the advice to follow.
Whether you return to your pre-accident state of health is another matter. It is true to say that shoulder and neck injuries are amongst the more difficult to treat because of the delicate balance of forces in the shoulder joint and the difficulty of repairing small tears in ligaments and tendons in a joint which is in relatively constant use. If you have been given a range of exercises by a physio, however, these will have been carefully designed to maximise your recovery, and together with the acupuncture treatment, there is a good chance you will recover most, if not all, of your previous function.
Accidents tend to have a much wider effect than the simple physical damage alone, and the paradigm of Chinese medicine in which body mind and emotions are seen as interconnected and interdependent can be particularly helpful in addressing some of the other consequences of an accident, like the shock itself. In Chinese medicine a major disruption in any part or level of the system can have repercussions across whole system, and we sometimes find this can impair someone's physical recovery. If your practitioner treats you rather than simply treating your symptoms, he or she will address all of these kinds of issue on looking at the overall picture.
We have just entered 'HA5' in the practitioner search function on our homepage and generated about twenty hits for people working in your area, so you should have no problem in locating a BAcC member to take over your treatment.   


Q:  I am looking for someone to help sort a problem I have with very tight muscles in my shoulder that can not be easily released with physio massage. How can i find out how long someone has been practising/qualified.

A: The only way to establish how long someone has been qualifed and/or practising is to ask them directly. We do have information about when people qualified but we do not use this on our public register yet. There are discussions, as there have been for a long time, about increasing the amount of information available to the public, and for us it is simply a matter of ensuring that we do it in a fair manner which remains comprehensible.
It can get quite complicated. Some members have run small but highly effective practices for years from choice, where other more recently graduated members have very large and full clinics within months of starting to practise. There is no reliable way in which one could say that 'x' is better than 'y', and faced with that conundrum we have tended not to provide large amounts of information; from our perspective all members are skilled, safe and competent, whatever their stage of practice. The same applies to knowing what styles members practise. We know where someone's initial training has been given, but over time people develop and their style changes, and it becomes very difficult to be definitive about what members do.
We are looking at all aspects of public infirmation to help the patient exercise a fully informed choice in looking for a practitioner, but the for the moment the only way to establish how long someone has been practising is to ask them. Our members will not be in the least bit offended at such a request.  

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